26r identities and other info

PostPost by: elansprint71 » Wed Mar 18, 2009 10:30 pm

Vintage racing? No Elans are eligible for Vintage racing in the UK, the cut-off date being 1931. :twisted:
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PostPost by: twincamman » Wed Mar 18, 2009 10:35 pm

oh thats right I forget you are about 200 years behind over there -- 1931 chevs and 5 window duce [32] coups race at the drag strips here make about 800 hp ---26R rad indeed ----TT picked your pocket if you paid more than 80 or 90 pounds with the rad fan included ---check out Summit racing equipment --P.T. Barnum was right -ed :lol:
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PostPost by: elancoupe » Thu Mar 19, 2009 12:32 am

I have been to numerous SVRA (vintage) Races- not only are 26r's and standard Elans not in the same class, they don't even run together in the same race.
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PostPost by: twincamman » Thu Mar 19, 2009 2:10 am

any documentation I can find says there was no designation 26r they were just raced as Elan or Elan GT -----the denotation 26r is fairly new to me and primarily used to bilk money from people ----I must go and work on mine now --so feel free to talk among your selves ----thanks --ed
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PostPost by: Dag-Henning » Thu Mar 19, 2009 10:27 am

-obviously there are more than one world out there.........Sorry, but I have to be present in mine.... :D

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PostPost by: twincamman » Thu Mar 19, 2009 1:17 pm

OK Dag ----just keep doing what the little voices tell you :D --Im back to the garage its a bit above 32 F --and then off to practice with the Basil drumming group -and Im taking the europa ----so Ill have to strap the drum to the rear hatch --the fife players all drive pickup truck --go figgure --- :lol: ---ed
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PostPost by: elansprint71 » Thu Mar 19, 2009 7:58 pm

twincamman wrote:any documentation I can find says there was no designation 26r they were just raced as Elan or Elan GT -----the denotation 26r is fairly new to me and primarily used to bilk money from people ----I must go and work on mine now --so feel free to talk among your selves ----thanks --ed


Presumably you didn't "find" the FIA/RAC Homolgation papers number 127 or 527 then? If you had you would have seen, on the 11th April 1964, that it read "FIA Rec Number 127, Lotus Elan 26/R, .........Alloy cross-flow radiator has separate header tank which gives a total water capacity of 8.5 litres".
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PostPost by: twincamman » Thu Mar 19, 2009 8:29 pm

some of us don't let the truth get in the way of a chance to perhaps make a point JUST AS YOU STATED ON PAGE 227 -OF CHRIS HARVYS BOOK WHEN THE BOOK ONLY HAS 192 PAGES I don theen so lucy -----ed
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PostPost by: elansprint71 » Thu Mar 19, 2009 9:04 pm

twincamman wrote:some of us don't let the truth get in the way of a chance to perhaps make a point JUST AS YOU STATED ON PAGE 227 -OF CHRIS HARVYS BOOK WHEN THE BOOK ONLY HAS 192 PAGES I don theen so lucy -----ed


Not quite sure who you are addressing there, or what you are trying to tell them.

Anyway, as an engineer, I would really like to hear more about the radiator in your car, "-----the original in my car is a great humping steel one from 1964"
I'm not sure that I have ever seen a steel radiator in any car, let alone a fly-weight racing model from the world's master of weight reduction. :?
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PostPost by: twincamman » Thu Mar 19, 2009 9:43 pm

ok perhaps I should have said-regarding your sudden and dramatic 'discovery' of an alleged FIA homologation paper -what a convenient and timely piece of information --very timely indeed ----the rad is just a thicker version of a standard Elan tin rad ----not breathed upon by 'experts' -and a copy of the alleged FIA document would certainly strengthen your credibility- 8) --however when entering a race over ere they only ask for the car make and model on the entry paperwork --[not the entire history ]- log books asked for weight --engine displacement --body material --chassis type -- ----etc only things covering class legality ----cars here were entered as ----make --Lotus ------- Model ---Elan --in fact by 2002 SCCA doesnt even have elan listed ---only lotus Cortina --- and 7 in f prod and e prod europa e prod are listed --ed
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PostPost by: elancoupe » Fri Mar 20, 2009 1:20 am

According to their website, the SCCA has the Elan in GTL.
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PostPost by: twincamman » Fri Mar 20, 2009 11:19 am

ok gt2[b] page 56 2002 GCR under GTCS lotus elan s2 s4 [roadster coupe and drophead ==weight 1500 to1575 displacement 1558 etc etc = your are correct -thanks ----no notice for or about 26r -but if you show up with a 1400 pound car I think you will be in a meeting and returning the trophy :lol: -and again rad material- size is open -----ed
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PostPost by: cabc26b » Fri Mar 20, 2009 7:26 pm

I just spoke to johnny walker and he recollects the following -

Johnny owns a book by Chris Harvey, entitled the " Elite, Elan and Europa" its a haynes book, anyways on page 202 and 203 it shows a photo spread of Jon Miles 26R, with a wide alloy radiator with a tag on it showing the maker as Marston (the same folks who make the stock radiators for the s1/s2) with header tank. A lot of folks consider this as close to factory effort there ever was with the elan - and so the miles car after wining just about every race it entered becomes the benchmark on how to prep'em and how they should look. Johnny's also wondering if there is some kind of bizarre censorship going on up in the great white north.

Johnny also recalls the Homolgation papers being filed by the sales director Graham Arnold against the wishes of his boss . These same homolgation notes can be found in chapter 8 of the Robinshaw and Ross book on the elan as well as reproduced in original form on the website www.lotuselan.net. and so there is no real issue on the existence off these papers.

Johnny thinks there may be some confusion on Historic or in period regulations vs Current FIA historic regulations and current SCCA/FIA reg not to mention VMC historic/vintage regulations - for example:

In period, the 26R was first run in F modified for the SCCA, not production - then he thinks it was banned de-classed or something that amounted to please don't bring these back to the track. The elans then show up in C production for 65 then get moved to B production ( party over for the elan, super seven gets banned outright) - the c/b prod cars in pictures look like modified elan's not 26Rs - in this century SVRA use to place the 26R in either group 5 ( where sports racers and Modified"s go) or in Group 8 - You can now run provisional in group 3 if your weight and tires are where and what they want them to be - if you start winning though in true N.A. form they will move you out or hand you a weight penalty.

Any time I get stressed about this stuff I just have a few words with Johnny and everything gets put in its proper perspective -

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PostPost by: elansprint71 » Fri Mar 20, 2009 7:59 pm

Thanks for that George; I have the book; the caption reads "...... The engine was very special, of course, producing around 160 bhp, with an oversize radiator to keep it reasonably cool."
I would say the rad in the photo is maybe 1/2 an inch thicker than my Tony Thompson rad (one extra set of cores?).
There was a French 26/R racing at Le Mans Classic last year which also had the thicker rad.
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PostPost by: twincamman » Fri Mar 20, 2009 10:49 pm

ok not to put too fine a point on it but the original argument was --- 1 there is a special aluminum rad that if you must have to be a 26r and 2 the cars were entered in events as as 26r ------ A -- the rules state the cars can be up graded or back dated ---- and no where can I find a stipulation for rad material or size ---and B no year book I have access to lists 26r in any class --only elan elan drop head and elan gt - now Charlie may be a qualified resource BUT its still hear say to me -----thanks --ed
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