26r identities and other info

[elancoupe]

The green over white car looks very much like the one Alain De Cadenet drives in the Victory By Design / Lotus DVD.

[jkatthehelm]

It's back

http://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C78637/

J

[elansprint71]

At Race Retro today there were two 26Rs for sale, both with the same price. The red one is John Miles' car, the yellow one as described.

There were one hell of a lot of cars for sale; normally the fabulous creatures are on display by their owners, this time it was the auction houses who had the best stuff- sign of the times?

My advice; sit on your hands and snap up the bargains in 12 months.

[twincamman]

perhaps the sharing of information here has something to do with this ----wait a awhile and perhaps pick up a racing elan very reasonably -- --ed

[Dag-Henning]

- was there, saw that....and went away..! I can understand that people may pay a lot for well known cars with interesting history, but this must be all time high for a 26R ?????
Dag

[twincamman]

so this is the Rob Walker elan that was taken from assembly [#26-4576] and built up to go racing that is for sale at 175000 pounds???? ed [sorry Ian Walker ]

[cabc26b]

Rob Walker - last of a breed , F1 privateer and sponsor of Stirling Moss lotus rides for awhile
Ian walker - active in production racers like the elan 26r
Johnny Walker - indirect sponsor of Moss and much better to spend time on or with vs speculation on the speculative pricing of old racing cars driven by old racing drivers -

[elansprint71]

Hey, for that money you could expect a car which would at least get through scrutineering. Allegedly.

[twincamman]

when I teched cars between races we were more concerned about safety and could not disqualify a car for legality or conformity ---that was the competitors job and I wasn't allowed to tech any car in my class ---ed

[paddy]

... the radiator was thicker than my certified, homolgated 26R item

To be fair, the rad doesn't look wider or thicker than the stock Marston radiator on the S1/S2.

Paddy

[twincamman]

what exactly is or are the correct parameters for a rad as per the appendix I can find no reference to material used in the rule book or reference to size ???-----the original in my car is a great humping steel one from 1964 and had to be repaired --no opinions please only direct quotes from the FIA rule book --mine states--appendix H --2--PRODUCTION SEDANS ---The use of any water radiator is allowed provided there is no change to the coachwork chassis or internal structure of the automobile to accommodate its use -------AND AS TO BRAKE RESERVOIRS -appendix J -1---the USE OF ANY DUAL MASTER CYLINDERS AND\OR pressure equalizing device is permitted servo assist systems are free ----no mention of reservoirs at all ----I assume they hope you will use some -------in section 4 sub 4.2 under general requirements ------'PRODUCTION SPORTS CAR ---THE ONLY MENTION OF RADIATORES is that you may duct to them ----it states also-- the car is to be raced as delivered to the public through manufacturers outlets and may be back dated or up dated with in specs of a recognized make and model ---
-thanks --ed

[Dag-Henning]

- the yellow car did have adjustable rear A-frames and adjustable spring platforms though, and that is for sure not FIA OK .....!
Dag

[twincamman]

Authorized modifications ---production sports car --4-- --4.3 sec B 3 the make and type of shock absorbers may be changed but not their number or system of operation[ie leaver or telescopic] or their system of and points of attachment --shock absorbers may have load bearing capacity [eg gas filled or 'coil over'] ----FIA also have no rule on left or right handed drive ---wheel attachment [ bolt on or knock off] only that that they would like them to stay attached to the car during the event ]----sub 14 reads ---steering arms -Pittman arms and steering component parts MAY BE MODIFIED RERNFORCED OR SUBSTITUTED but the rack and pinion worm and selector etc may not be changed ----perhaps the F.I.A --so often quoted here --may like to be informed of the rule changes sweeping 'THIS SCEPTERED ISLE and the number of pontificating experts available for their events --BUY THE BOOK -I HATE TO BE A CARMUGEON HERE BUT ---ANY ONE READING THESE UNFOUNDED OPINIONS AND CONTEMPLATING VINTAGE RACING WOULD RUN AWAY AND TAKE UP GOLF -thanks ed

[Dag-Henning]

As English is not my tongue, I am not 100% sure of what you are aiming at here..........However, I sense that there are different opinions abt. what is allowed and not under FIA rules....On my hand, I refer to the regulations under FIA App.K , and J of the period. These are what we are trying to relate to in Europe, and can easily be downloaded from the FIA home page. No need to buy any book. And, just to be a real pr..... ; - the Elan 26R is not a "production sports car" according to App.K, it is a Competition Grand Touring car .
Furthermore, your coilovers are OK, but in Period F, 62-65, the spring platforms must be fixed.
(Having studied App.K for months now, as responsible for the Norwegian Historic Racing Club, my opinions are well founded.........)
Dag

[twincamman]

Dag ---FIA rules are FIA rules whether in Tuktiuktuk North West Territories or Bora Bora or East Chippendale -----GT 1 2 OR 3 OR CALLED a b c SEDAN -----EXCEPT [ show room stock and the Irish Racing Association ]--all the countries rule books are based on them -thats what the INTERNATIONAL says ---rad size and material doesn't come into it and the only main thing about suspension is you cant change the pick up points --all this self important twaddle about oooooh I don't like this or that is definitely wrong is pointless -----I have had many competitors come to me claiming the wiget on car 44 is illegal after talking to an 'expert' only to be proven wrong when the rule book comes out --when it comes to race cars opinions are like a33holes ---ever body has one -but they are just that --opinions ---the rule books solves mostly all -the interpretation of fixed ---can be construed to read fixed in one place ---adjustable and fixed in one place etc etc and as many variations as competitors can dream to get an advantage -now if the rule reads non adjustable perch and some one has a machined part to improve the spring rate in the spring perch that's a different can of springs --is that legal ???-is that adjusted??? is the spring part of the perch??? is the perch part of the shock? if so than the perch is free as the shock is a free item and can be adjustable ---ad infinitum --I envy you your undertaking ----during the Porch series one car was 2 seconds a lap faster consistently tear downs checks on the car revealed nothing only after the series ended it was RUMOURED that the wining car had the cigarette lighter hooked up to a servo that richened the mid range --so when the driver pushed the lighter in he got a 4 second boost and it automatically canceled when the lighter popped out at temperature ----another had his pit area behind the pits so he drove down pit lane and around to the his pit around to lane and out on the track --tripping the transponder every time ---it was an endurance race and he won until the 40 second lap times on a 1 :50 track was reported by a canny competitor--they will keep you on your toes --BTW ther is no classification for 26r in gt 1 just elan 1600 s1 2 3 in the 78 79 80 rule book ----ed