Lotus Elan

26r identities and other info

PostPost by: trw99 » Sun Feb 27, 2011 6:23 pm

cabc26b wrote:I have not seen any documentation to date that says the team was involved with the Elan. Given the amount the activity with with F1, F2, F3, Group7 ( 30/40), Sports, Group 4 ( 47/62) , Indy , and the Cortina program ( Ford money ) i suspect there was neither the interest nor time to put any effort into the elan.

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I too had read that Team Lotus apparently never entered an Elan, leaving it to privateers to campaign them, the likes of Graham Warner at The Chequered Flag, described by Doug Nye in his book 'Lotus 1961 to 1971' as running quasi works Elans. However, I did come across this, below.

From my previous post: "The only evidence I can find - so far - is Ray Parsons entered by Team Lotus Ltd and finishing 2nd in the Redex Trophy on 30 Aug 65 at Brands Hatch, in his car HJH 171C, 26/R/50. The other races he entered do not have Team Lotus down as the entrant."

I have attached the programme cover and list of entries, confirming that Team Lotus Ltd entered Ray's car. We know that Ray Parsons was Peter Arundell's mechanic at Team Lotus. In the Crombac book on Chapman, he writes that Ray Parsons was responsible for the preparation and running of Team Lotus' 26R. Note the singular. However, the only evidence I have come up with is as attached. Parsons did campaign 'his' car in 1965; for example, he raced in the Sussex Trophy race at Goodwood on 19th April and finished 7th, though there is no mention of Team Lotus Ltd having entered him, so we have to assume he did so as a privateer.

This is an interesting little conundrum. Maybe some of the learned TFN forum members have additional proof. I shall have to explore that avenue.

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PostPost by: Old English White » Sun Feb 27, 2011 6:36 pm

And because I like to be as complete as I can;
Here is the grid (inverted!?!) of the Brands Hatch Redex Trophy and its results, thanks to the TNF...

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My contribution ll be some green on each Elan's position, resulting a nearly 10% of the 26R production... If they were 26R's.

Dave, that car is 26-R-50, and was entered by an american Stephen Duddley at the french Tour Auto 2008, then at LMC 2008.
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PostPost by: Old English White » Sun Feb 27, 2011 6:52 pm

Tim,
If we agree with your version, a car developped by a guy from the Lotus team, having the car (its) entered under the Lotus team colors, shouldn't be an works car !?!
No wonder anyway, Graham Hill started at Lotus as a meccanic; my bet he finished as he started.
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PostPost by: garyeanderson » Sun Feb 27, 2011 8:18 pm

I thought I copied these off of http://www.race-cars.com but I don't see it in the archives so to be honest I don't know where the originated from. If someone wants them gone than they will be. until then I may as well upload them. They are dated on my hard drive as May 6th 2003 so they have been around for some time.
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PostPost by: bigvalvehead » Sun Feb 27, 2011 8:42 pm

Hi Gary
Thats where they came from.I have a copy of the FIA papers from same site.
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PostPost by: garyeanderson » Sun Feb 27, 2011 9:56 pm

Hi Dave

yes I thought so. I found the link that I had in mail so here it is
http://www.race-cars.com/carsales/lotus ... 7664ss.htm

I think that these are what you are referring to.

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PostPost by: bigvalvehead » Sun Feb 27, 2011 10:03 pm

Hi Gary
Notice the chassis no is incorrect. Should read 26-R-50.
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PostPost by: elansprint71 » Sun Feb 27, 2011 10:13 pm

Apologies for my recent silence; I've been in touch with folks who were there at the time and I'm awaiting answers from others.

I have realised that I have period photos of HJH171C, entered by Team Lotus for Ray Parsons, as described in posts above; however these photos show that car with "chinese eye" Perspex headlight covers (four screws on the right, six screws on the left!) and five-inch headlights seated in moulded bases. This is at odds with the more recent photos posted by Dave and Gary, showing the other Perspex arrangement (replacing the normal swivelling pods) and headlights without any mouldings (you can see into the engine bay). Other detail differences are that the period shots show no yellow stripe on the body, there are two wipers parked on the right vs. one parked on the left; the bonnet retaining arrangement is Dzus fasteners vs. pins and the roll-cage is also different.
OK; so all of these bits could have been changed over the years but... :twisted:

Watch this space.

On a slightly different tack; my BRM/Mike Spence contact has sadly passed away, so no more info from that quarter, unfortunately.
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PostPost by: elansprint71 » Sun Feb 27, 2011 10:30 pm

.... and in the few minutes it took me to produce my previous reply Gary and Dave both posted, not having seen what I had written because I'm slow on the keyboard when it comes to facts!
As for the MSA, "they" (or their nominated representative) would not, allegedly, know a hole in the ground if it jumped up and bit them in the arse. :roll: That car looks not much like it did in it's one and only (as far as I know at the moment) race, when it was new, despite what they say about it being "restored ... to early specification".

I'll be back... :twisted:
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PostPost by: elancoupe » Sun Feb 27, 2011 10:33 pm

The MSA sheet notes that the car was campaigned in Modsports - I would think it was much changed at that point. Probably not much of the original car left by now.
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PostPost by: twincamman » Sun Feb 27, 2011 10:39 pm

WELL Dave just PERHAPS the Lotus numbering system just wont conform to your way of thinking --a point that has been made here more than a few times --e
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PostPost by: elansprint71 » Sun Feb 27, 2011 10:56 pm

elancoupe wrote:The MSA sheet notes that the car was campaigned in Modsports - I would think it was much changed at that point. Probably not much of the original car left by now.

Agreed but "restored... to early specification" has nothing to do with the missing years. If I were a rich man (diddle-iddle...etc) and looking to spend a whole load of cash on, possibly, the one and only Team Lotus Elan, I would want facts, not opinions from some bloke with a drawer full of blank forms and a polyester blazer with a badge on the pocket. And a car which looked exactly right.

If it looks wrong, it is wrong. So I'm told.

However; what exactly does "under the banner of Team Lotus" mean? :twisted:

I'll update you folks on this car when my contact gets back to me.
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PostPost by: ardee_selby » Mon Feb 28, 2011 1:43 pm

trw99 wrote: I have attached the programme cover and list of entries, Tim


Tim,

The "Chris Barber" entries...the jazzman/trombonist Chris Barber? Or am I getting confused in my old age?

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PostPost by: trw99 » Mon Feb 28, 2011 1:47 pm

Richard

Yep, one and the same. He had raced an Elite and then progressed to Elans for a short while. His cars ran with a small picture of a gold trombone on the door!

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PostPost by: ardee_selby » Mon Feb 28, 2011 2:10 pm

Found this: My big relaxation from the strain of concert touring is motor cars. I started years ago, and I've owned seven cars so far, including two Lagondas, two Lotus racing cars and an Aston Martin. I've tried a certain amount of moderately successful racing with the two Lotus cars, and last year I raced about six times, included a run on the famous Nurburgring in Germany.

Elan at Nurburgring?

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Oooops..sorry! Scrub that. The quote is from about 1960!
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